摩登伽經明往緣品第二
Chapter 2: The Past Conditions of Matanga
爾時城中諸婆羅門長者居士,聞佛度於栴陀羅女出家為道,咸生嫌忿而作是言:「此下賤種,云何當與諸四部眾同修梵行?云何當入諸豪貴家受於供養?」如是展轉共議斯事,乃至聞於波斯匿王。王聞是已,極大驚愕,即便嚴駕,眷屬圍遶前後導從詣祇洹林。下車去蓋,徐步而進。頂禮佛足,退坐一面。佛知眾會心之所念,欲決所疑,告諸比丘:「汝等欲聞本性比丘尼往昔緣不?」諸比丘言:「唯然欲聞」。「汝今諦聽,當為汝說。諸比丘!乃往過去阿僧祇劫!於恒河側有園!名曰阿提目多!花果繁茂、池流具足。園中有王,名帝勝伽,是栴陀羅摩登伽種,與百千萬栴陀羅眾共住此園。諸比丘!彼帝勝伽有大智慧、高才勇猛,自識宿命,世所為事無不通達。我當略說其五功德:一者博練四圍陀典,祕密之要無不了達;二者善解詩書文頌字句長短;三者悉知諸論經紀度聲彼岸;四者能解世俗祠祀呪術醫藥;五善分別大丈夫相。如是智慧,不可窮盡。其王有子,名師子耳,顏容端正、戒行清潔,其心調柔、仁慈和順,眾德具瞻,見者歡喜。摩登伽王廣教其子經書呪術,己所知者悉教授之,故師子耳知見深遠,亦如其父等無有異。帝勝伽王於夜臥中忽生是念:『我子色貌最為殊勝,眾德具足人所宗仰。年漸長大,宜為娉妻。必當選擇端正良匹、才德超絕類如吾子,然後乃當而為求之。』當是時也,有婆羅門名蓮花實,宗族高美、父母真正,七世以來淨而無雜,通四圍陀、才藝寡匹。時有國王,名曰大與,總領天下,威力自在。以一聚落封蓮花實,令其統領,其土豐盛、人民殷富。彼蓮花實,女名本性,德貌殊勝,猶師子耳。帝勝伽王作是念言:『唯蓮花實,其女殊妙。吾當為子而求娉之。』作是念已,至明清旦,乘大寶車、駕駟白馬,栴陀羅眾前後圍遶,出家北行,往趣其國。時蓮花實所住處南有一園苑,名曰悅樂,花果滋茂、樹木敷榮,泉流浴池淨水盈滿,異類眾鳥遊戲其上,哀音相和,聞者歡悅。其園廣博,甚可愛樂,猶如諸天難陀之園。摩登伽王往彼園中,待蓮花實。時婆羅門亦於晨朝,駕駟白馬,及與五百婆羅門俱,導從圍遶至園遊觀。彼婆羅門於其路次,教授弟子技藝等事,且行誦習而來詣園。帝勝伽王見蓮花實安詳而來,威德殊特,心生歡喜,以偈讚曰:
At that time, in the city, all the Brahmins, elders, and householders heard that the Buddha had accepted the Candala woman as a nun and allowed her to leave home to pursue the path. They were filled with resentment and said: "How can this low-born woman practice the holy life together with the fourfold assembly? How can she enter the homes of the wealthy and noble to receive offerings?" Thus they discussed this matter among themselves, and the news eventually reached King Prasenajit.
When the king heard this, he was greatly astonished. He immediately prepared his carriage and, surrounded by his retinue and attendants, set out for the Jetavana grove. Dismounting from the carriage and setting aside his canopy, he walked forward slowly. He bowed his head at the Buddha's feet, then withdrew and sat to one side.
The Buddha, knowing what was in the minds of the assembly and wishing to resolve their doubts, said to the bhikkhus: "Do you wish to hear of the past causes and conditions of Bhikkhuni Prakriti?"
The bhikkhus replied: "Yes, we wish to hear."
"Listen carefully now, and I shall explain for your sake. Bhikkhus, in the distant past, an incalculable eon ago, there was a garden by the banks of the Ganges River, named Atimukta. It was lush with flowers and fruits, and had abundant ponds and streams. In this garden there was a king named Teṣṭigā, who was of the Candala-Mātaṅga lineage. He dwelt in this garden together with hundreds of thousands of Candalas.
"Bhikkhus, that Teṣṭigā possessed great wisdom, lofty talent, and courage. He could recollect his past lives, and there was nothing in the affairs of the world that he did not understand. I shall briefly describe his five virtues:
"First, he was broadly versed in the four Vedas and thoroughly understood all their secret essentials.
"Second, he was skilled in poetry, literature, hymns, and the lengths of phrases and verses.
"Third, he knew all treatises, scriptures, and the means to cross to the far shore of sound.
"Fourth, he understood worldly sacrifices, incantations, and medicine.
"Fifth, he excelled in distinguishing the marks of a great man.
Such wisdom was inexhaustible.
"That king had a son named Siṅha-karṇa, whose countenance was dignified and handsome, whose moral conduct was pure, whose mind was gentle, compassionate, and agreeable. Possessing all virtues, he delighted all who saw him. King Mātaṅga extensively taught his son scriptures and incantations, passing on everything he knew, so that Siṅha-karṇa's knowledge and insight were profound and far-reaching, no different from his father's.
"One night, King Teṣṭigā had a thought while lying in bed: 'My son's appearance is most excellent, endowed with all virtues, and looked up to by all. As he grows older, it is fitting for me to seek a wife for him. I must choose a proper and good match, one whose talent and virtue are exceptional, equal to my son's, and only then shall I seek her on his behalf.'
"At that time, there was a Brahmin named Padma-garbha. His family was noble and eminent. His father and mother were of true lineage, and for seven generations they had been pure and unmixed. He was versed in the four Vedas, and his talents were unmatched.
"At that time, there was a king named Mahendra, who ruled over the entire realm with great power and authority. He bestowed a village upon Padma-garbha, allowing him to govern it. That land was prosperous and its people wealthy.
"That Padma-garbha had a daughter named Prakriti, whose virtue and beauty were extraordinary, equal to Siṅha-karṇa.
"King Teṣṭigā thought: 'Only Padma-garbha's daughter is exquisite and wonderful. I should seek her for my son.'
"Having had this thought, early the next morning, he rode a great jeweled carriage drawn by four white horses, surrounded by the Candala assembly before and behind, and traveled north, heading for that country.
"To the south of where Padma-garbha dwelt there was a garden, named Nandana, with flourishing flowers and fruits, trees full of foliage, springs, streams, and bathing pools filled with clear water. Various birds of different kinds played upon it, their melodious cries harmonizing with one another, delighting all who heard them. The garden was vast and most lovely, like the Nandana garden of the gods.
"King Mātaṅga went to that garden and awaited Padma-garbha.
"At that same time in the morning, the Brahmin also rode with four white horses, together with five hundred Brahmins, with attendants surrounding him, and came to the garden for recreation. Along the way, the Brahmin taught his disciples various arts and skills, reciting as he traveled, and thus arrived at the garden.
"When King Teṣṭigā saw Padma-garbha arriving peacefully, with extraordinary majesty and virtue, his heart was filled with joy, and he praised him with a verse:
[Listing of the verse follows]
「『如日初出, 光明照曜, 大士威德,
亦復如是。 如雪山藥, 眾藥中勝,
仁者高遠, 更無能比。 德力深妙,
極為嚴顯, 猶如秋月, 眾星中最。
如梵天王, 智慧超勝, 悉為諸天,
所共瞻仰。 如天帝釋, 一切恭敬,
端嚴殊絕, 更無能喻。 我但略讚,
汝之功德, 若廣說者, 不可窮盡。』
「說是偈已,即起奉迎,更相慰問,然後就坐。蓮花實言:『汝栴陀羅,下劣之甚,而來至此,欲何所為?』答言:『仁者!世有四事,宜應修習。何等為四?一者本所為事,憶而不忘;二者應當利安於己;三者饒益一切眾生;四者務修婚姻之事。是以我今故來相造。吾有一子,名師子耳,顏容瓌瑋、智慧微妙。欲為娉妻,仁女賢勝,意甚相貪,欲託姻媛,幸能垂意而見許可。』時蓮花實聞是語已,瞋毒熾盛,極生忿恚,顏容慘結、色貌顰蹙,而語之言:『摩登伽種,人所輕賤,甚可猥惡,如毒如火。我今身是婆羅門姓,豪勝尊貴更無過者,通達圍陀,智慧無比。汝今云何欲來毀辱?如空中月、螢燭光明,有目之士咸知其異。栴陀羅種比婆羅門,尊貴卑劣亦復如是。今汝愚癡,不識貴賤,不可求處生心悕望。汝栴陀羅,自有種類,何故欲染清勝之人?且婆羅門戒行不具,不能通達圍陀妙典,諸婆羅門不與交遊,況汝凡賤乃生是意。急可速去,不宜久留,莫使外人聞斯異言。』時帝勝伽聞是事已,語言:『仁者!金玉珍異、土木弊惡,貴賤異相一切悉知。我今不見諸婆羅門與栴陀羅而有差別。何以故?汝婆羅門不從空出,栴陀羅種獨因地生。婆羅門者從胎而有,栴陀羅種亦復如是,而言殊勝,是事不可。婆羅門死,人所畏惡;栴陀羅終,亦無欲見。若言貴賤而有相異,何故生死而無差別?汝意當謂,栴陀羅者造作惡事、兇暴殘害、欺誑眾生、無慈愍心,以是因緣名為卑賤。我今當說汝婆羅門所有惡業虛妄之事,起於諍訟、擾亂賢善、造為妖怪、占星觀月、和合軍陣、殺害眾生。舉要言之,一切惡事皆婆羅門之所為作。汝婆羅門,性嗜美味而作是言:「若祠祀者,呪羊殺之,羊必生天。」若使呪之便生天者,汝今何故不自呪身,殺以祠祀,求生天耶?何故不呪父母、知識、妻子眷屬,而盡屠害使之生天。不滅己身但殺羊者,當知皆是諸婆羅門欲食肉故妄為是說。虛誑之人而言尊勝,於理不可。婆羅門法犯四種罪,名為極惡,非婆羅門。何等為四?一者殺害諸婆羅門、二婬師妻、三者盜金、四者飲酒。唯此四惡名之為罪,自餘殺害都無果報。而汝法中得殺罪者,由斷他命。若殺餘人亦名斷命,何故殺之而獨無罪?乃至飲酒亦復如是。當知汝等愚癡無智,橫生妄想,不可以此名為豪貴。又婆羅門犯前四罪,至心懺悔還可得滅。手持床足、著弊壞衣,以人髑髏懸其首上,如是懺悔滿十二年,戒還具足成婆羅門。如是愚癡,隨逐邪見而生憍慢,自謂尊豪。由是觀之,姓皆平等,可以仁女見與吾子。』時蓮花實聞是語已,倍增瞋恚,語帝勝伽:『汝不思惟,妄作是語。汝為王者,應知三法:一國土法、二貴賤法、三貢稅法。世有四姓,皆從梵生。婆羅門者從梵口生,剎利肩生,毘舍臍生,首陀足生。以是義故,婆羅門者最為尊貴得畜四妻,剎利三妻,毘舍二妻,首陀一妻。如是分別,種姓各異。汝自卑賤,乃至不入是四姓中,而言諸姓無有異相,違返聖教欲擾亂我,可宜速還,莫得復語。』帝勝伽言:『仁者!若說世四姓者皆從梵生,而婆羅門獨從口出,是以最尊更無過者,諸婆羅門何故亦有手足支節,及四威儀、音聲語言?以此因緣,知無異相。假令異者,應當分別。譬如蓮花有種種異,所謂水陸生花、優鉢羅花、瞻蔔香花、目多伽花、蘇蔓那花。如是等花,其色差別,香氣亦異。而汝四姓,不見異相,當知皆是妄想分別。譬如小兒於路遊戲,收聚沙土以為城舍,或復名曰是金是銀、酥酪米麥。而是沙土,不以小兒名因緣故便成珍寶。汝亦如是,愚癡蔽心,起貢高想,尊貴下賤不由汝言即便成就。又婆羅門梵口生者,應當慈忍仁愛眾生,云何殺害呪咀瞋忿?假令四姓皆從梵生,即為兄弟,云何共為婚姻之事?濁禮違理,禽獸無別。一切眾生隨業善惡而受果報,所謂端正醜陋、貧賤富貴、壽命終夭、愚癡智慧,如此等事從業而有。若梵天生,皆應同等,何因緣故如是差別?又汝法中自在天者,造於世界,頭以為天、足成為地、目為日月、腹為虛空、髮為草木、流淚成河、眾骨為山、大小便利盡成於海。斯等皆是汝婆羅門妄為此說。夫世界者,由眾生業而得成立。何有梵天能辦斯事?汝等癡弊,橫生妄想而言尊勝,人無信受。又婆羅門命終已後,獨得生天,餘不生者,是則為勝。而汝經中,修行善業皆生天上。若修善業便生天者,一切眾生悉能行善,皆當生天,何故餘人而獨卑劣?大婆羅門!譬如有人生育四子,各為立字,一名安樂、二曰長壽、三名無憂、四名歡喜。雖一父所生皆同一姓,而有四名差別之異。世間四姓亦復如是,雖同業報煩惱性欲而有四名,言婆羅門乃至剎利、毘舍、首陀,名雖不同,體無貴賤。諸婆羅門學圍陀典,恭敬尊重,恃生憍慢,而復因之以為定性。我今當說此圍陀典無有實義,易可離散。昔者有人,名為梵天。修習禪道,有大知見,造一圍陀,流布教化。其後有仙,名曰白淨,出興于世,造四圍陀:一者讚誦、二者祭祀、三者歌詠、四者禳災。次復更有一婆羅門,名曰弗沙,其弟子眾二十有五,於一圍陀廣分別之,即便復為二十五分。次復更有一婆羅門,名曰鸚鵡,變一圍陀為十八分。次復更有一婆羅門,名為善道,其弟子眾二十有一,亦變圍陀為二十一分。次復更有一婆羅門,名曰鳩求,變一圍陀以為二分,二變為四,四變為八,八變為十。如是展轉,凡千二百十有六種。是故當知,圍陀經典易可變易。大婆羅門!此圍陀典當分散時,婆羅門性為隨散壞、當猶存耶?若今猶存,則不應言,諸婆羅門因圍陀故性得決定;設隨散壞,汝云何言婆羅門性真實不變?是故汝說我獨尊貴、餘人卑劣,是事不然。又婆羅門自恃智慧善能呪術,輕蔑他人,生豪貴想。然今汝等所能知者,餘人學習亦得通達,當知一切皆悉尊貴,何故獨稱婆羅門耶?過去有仙,名婆私吒,其妻即是栴陀羅女。產生二子,長名為純、二名為飲,皆獲仙道、五通具足,變圍陀典、作宅圖法。汝能誹謗此二聖人言非仙耶?而汝先言「栴陀羅種卑賤下劣」,何故其息名為仙乎?昔捕魚師捕得一魚,剖腹而觀,見有一女,其色正黑。波羅勢仙與共交會,生育一子,名提婆延,五通自在、威德具足。如斯等比,豈非仙耶?過去久遠有剎利種,名曰毘摩,亦獲仙道,神力殊勝、智慧深遠,善於言辭,悉能教授諸婆羅門。若斯之人,寧當下賤?有剎利女,名曰微塵,從婆羅門讇婆持尼生育一子,名曰羅摩,有大神力,通諸經論。於盛夏月共母遊行,日光炎熾大地斯熱,爆其母足,不能前進。羅摩白言:「上我肩上,然後可去。」母於爾時不納其語,小復前行,猶患地熱。羅摩誓曰:「若我真實仁和孝敬,當令此日自然隱沒。」作是語已,日尋不現。母後採花,花皆合閉。母告之曰:「汝今日沒,故花不敷。」即復誓言:「若我仁孝,日當復出。」立語已訖,日尋顯曜。如是等仙,非婆羅門,神力變化不可限量,豈可名為下劣人耶?以是因緣,諸姓平等。可以汝女用妻吾子,財幣珍異恣意相與。』
After speaking these verses, he immediately rose and went forward to greet him. They exchanged greetings and then took their seats. Padma-svara then said: "You, an outcast Candāla, are extremely base and lowly. Why have you come here? What do you want?"
The visitor replied: "Venerable sir! There are four things in this world that one should cultivate. What are these four? First, one should remember and not forget one's original purpose. Second, one should seek one's own welfare and benefit. Third, one should benefit all living beings. Fourth, one should properly attend to the matter of marriage. It is for this reason that I have come to see you. I have a son named Simha-karṇa, whose appearance is strikingly handsome and whose wisdom is refined and subtle. I wish to arrange a marriage for him with your worthy daughter, who is called Bhadra. I have taken a great liking to her and wish to forge a marital bond between our families. I hope you will be so kind as to consent."
When Padma-svara heard these words, he burned with blazing anger and became intensely furious. His face darkened with rage, his features twisted in a frown, and he said: "The Mātaṅga caste is despised by all—utterly vile and loathsome, like poison, like fire. I myself am of the Brāhmaṇa lineage—noble, superior, and unsurpassed. I am versed in the Vedas and unmatched in wisdom. How dare you come here seeking to insult and disgrace me? Like a firefly trying to compete with the moon in the sky, anyone with eyes can see the difference. The difference between the Candāla caste and the Brāhmaṇa caste—in terms of nobility and baseness—is exactly the same. You are foolish and ignorant, unable to discern the noble from the lowly, and you harbor hopes in places where none should be sought. You are a Candāla—you have your own kind! Why do you seek to defile one who is pure and superior? Even among Brāhmaṇas, those who do not fully uphold the precepts and cannot master the sacred Vedic scriptures are not socialized with by other Brāhmaṇas—how much less should someone as common and base as you entertain such an idea! Leave at once! Do not remain here long! Do not let outsiders hear such strange talk."
When Deva-ṣeṣa heard this, he said: "Venerable sir! Gold and jade are precious, while earth and wood are humble and ugly. Everyone knows these things differ in worth. But I do not see any difference between Brāhmaṇas and Candālas. Why? Your Brāhmaṇas did not fall from the sky, and the Candāla caste did not spring from the earth alone. Brāhmaṇas are born from the womb, and so are Candālas; yet you claim superiority—that is inadmissible. When a Brāhmaṇa dies, people are fearful and disgusted; when a Candāla dies, no one wants to see him either. If you say that noble and base have distinguishing marks, then why is there no difference in birth and death?
"Perhaps you think that Candālas commit evil deeds, are cruel and violent, deceive living beings, and lack compassion—and for these reasons are called base. I will now speak of all the evil and deluded deeds of Brāhmaṇas: creating quarrels, disturbing the virtuous, making strange omens, observing stars and the moon, assembling armies, and killing living beings. To put it plainly, all evil deeds are done by Brāhmaṇas.
"Your Brāhmaṇas love fine flavors and say: 'When offering sacrifice, one should curse the goat and kill it, and the goat will certainly be reborn in heaven.' If cursing it can send it to heaven, why don't you curse yourselves, kill yourselves as a sacrifice, and seek rebirth in heaven? Why don't you curse your parents, friends, wives, children, and relatives, and slaughter them all to send them to heaven? The fact that you do not kill yourselves but only kill goats shows that it is the Brāhmaṇas who, wanting to eat meat, make up such false claims. That deceitful people should claim to be noble and superior is unreasonable.
"According to Brāhmaṇa law, there are four kinds of offenses that are considered extremely evil and make one unworthy of being a Brāhmaṇa. What are the four? First, killing a Brāhmaṇa. Second, committing adultery with one's teacher's wife. Third, stealing gold. Fourth, drinking liquor. Only these four evils are called offenses; all other killings have no retribution. But in your law, the offense of killing comes from taking another's life. If killing another person also takes a life, why is it that killing such a person is not an offense? And likewise for drinking liquor. You should know that you are foolish and ignorant, giving rise to false imaginings—this cannot be the basis for claiming nobility.
"Furthermore, if a Brāhmaṇa commits the four offenses above, he can repent sincerely and be purged of them. Holding the foot of a bed, wearing tattered clothing, hanging a human skull upon his head—repenting in this manner for twelve years, he becomes pure again and regains his status as a Brāhmaṇa. Such foolishness, following pernicious views and giving rise to arrogance, claiming to be noble—such is your way!
"Looking at it this way, all families are equal. You may give your daughter to my son."
When Padma-svara heard this, his anger doubled, and he said to Deva-ṣeṣa: "You do not think properly, speaking such nonsense. If you are a king, you should know three things: first, the law of the land; second, the law of noble and base; third, the law of royal tribute. There are four classes in this world, all born from Brahmā. The Brāhmaṇa was born from Brahmā's mouth, the Kṣatriya from his shoulders, the Vaiśya from his navel, and the Śūdra from his feet. For this reason, the Brāhmaṇa is the most noble and may keep four wives; the Kṣatriya, three wives; the Vaiśya, two wives; and the Śūdra, one wife. In this way, the classes are distinguished from one another. You are low and base, not even included among these four classes, yet you say the classes are in no way different—this violates the sacred scriptures and you seek to disturb me. You should quickly return and not speak further."
Deva-ṣeṣa said: "Venerable sir! If you say that the four classes all come from Brahmā and that the Brāhmaṇa alone came from the mouth, and therefore is most noble and unsurpassed, then why do Brāhmaṇas also have arms, legs, joints, and limbs—and the four postures, sounds, and speech like everyone else? For this reason, I know there is no real difference between the classes. If there were any difference, it should be discernible. For example, there are various kinds of lotuses—lotuses that grow in water, lotuses that grow on land, utpala flowers, campaka-scented flowers, muktaka flowers, and sumanā flowers. These flowers have different colors and different fragrances. But among your four classes, I see no distinguishing marks; you must know that these are all deluded discriminations.
"Just as children playing on the road gather sand and earth and call it a city or a house, or say this is gold, this is silver, this is ghee, this is milk, or grain—yet the sand and earth do not become precious treasures merely because of the children's words. You are the same: your minds are clouded by ignorance, and you give rise to thoughts of arrogance. Nobility and baseness are not established merely by your claims.
"Furthermore, if the Brāhmaṇa was born from Brahmā's mouth, then he should be compassionate, humane, and loving to all beings. How then can you kill, curse, and rage?
"Suppose all four classes were born from Brahmā—then they are brothers. How can they intermarry? That would be polluted manners contrary to reason, no different from beasts.
"All beings experience karmic results according to their good and evil deeds—whether they are handsome or ugly, poor or rich, long-lived or short-lived, foolish or wise. All such matters arise from karma. If Brahmā had created them all, they would all be equal. What is the cause of these differences?
"Moreover, according to your teachings, the God Īśvara created the world: his head became the sky, his feet the earth, his eyes the sun and moon, his belly space, his hair the plants and trees, his flowing tears the rivers, his bones the mountains, and his excrement the seas. These are all false claims of Brāhmaṇas! The world comes into being through the karma of beings. How could Brahmā accomplish such a thing? You deluded and foolish ones create wild imaginings and claim nobility, but no one believes you.
"Furthermore, you say that only Brāhmaṇas go to heaven after death and others do not—this then would be superiority. But according to your own scriptures, all who cultivate good deeds are born in heaven. If all who cultivate good deeds are born in heaven, then since all beings can practice good, all would be born in heaven. Why then are others alone considered base?
"Great Brāhmaṇa! Consider a man who has four sons, each given a name: the first is called Blissful, the second Long-lived, the third Sorrow-free, and the fourth Joyful. Though born of the same father and sharing the same surname, they nonetheless have four distinct names. The four classes of the world are the same: though sharing the same karma, afflictions, nature, and desires, they have four names—Brāhmaṇa, Kṣatriya, Vaiśya, and Śūdra. Though their names differ, their bodies have no nobility or baseness.
"Your Brāhmaṇas study the Vedas, revere and respect them, rely on them and grow arrogant, and further claim that they determine one's place in life. I will now show that these Vedas have no fixed meaning and are easily altered.
"Long ago, there was a man named Brahmā-deva, who cultivated the path of meditation, had great knowledge and insight, and composed one Veda, which he spread and taught. Later, a sage named White-pure (Śukla) appeared in the world and composed four Vedas: first, the hymns of praise; second, the ritual of sacrifice; third, the songs of chanting; fourth, the rites of warding off calamities.
"After this, there was another Brāhmaṇa named Puṣya, whose twenty-five disciples divided one Veda into twenty-five sections. Then another Brāhmaṇa named Parrot (Śuka) transformed one Veda into eighteen sections. Then another Brāhmaṇa named Good-path (Sad-gati) with his twenty-one disciples divided a Veda into twenty-one sections. Then another Brāhmaṇa named Kukuṭa divided one Veda into two, the two into four, the four into eight, and the eight into ten. Thus, through successive divisions, it became 1,216 different versions. Therefore, you should know that the Vedic scriptures are easily changed.
"Great Brāhmaṇa! When these Vedic scriptures were being dispersed, did the Brāhmaṇa class disperse and perish with them, or did it remain? If it still remains, then you should not say the Brāhmaṇa class is determined by the Vedas. If it dispersed along with them, then how can you say the Brāhmaṇa class is real and unchanging? Therefore, your claim that I alone am noble and others are base is not so.
"Furthermore, the Brāhmaṇas, relying on their own knowledge and magical arts, look down on others and imagine themselves noble. But whatever you know, others can learn and master as well. All are equally noble—why do you exclusively call Brāhmaṇas noble?
"In the past, there was a sage named Vasiṣṭha, whose wife was a Candāla woman. She bore him two sons: the elder was named Pūrṇa and the younger Pīta. Both attained the path of sages, possessed the five supernormal powers, and transformed the Vedic scriptures into a manual for constructing houses. Can you denounce these two sages as not true sages? And yet you claimed earlier that the Candāla class is base and inferior—why then are their offspring called sages?
"Once, a fisherman caught a fish, and when he cut it open, he found inside a girl with dark skin. The sage Parāśara had union with her, and she bore a son named Deva-yāna, who possessed the five supernormal powers and full virtue and might. Is such a person not a sage?
"In the distant past, there was a Kṣatriya named Bīma, who attained the path of a sage, with extraordinary spiritual power, profound wisdom, and eloquence, fully able to teach the Brāhmaṇas. Could such a person be called lowly?
"There was a Kṣatriya woman named Sūkṣmā, who with the Brāhmaṇa Caṇḍa-posinī bore a son named Rāma, who possessed great spiritual powers and mastered all the treatises. One summer, traveling with his mother, the blazing sunlight scorched the ground so hot that it burned his mother's feet, and she could not go on. Rāma said, 'Climb onto my shoulders, and then we can continue.' At the time, she would not listen. Going a little further, she still suffered from the heat of the earth. Rāma made a vow: 'If I am truly gentle, humane, and filial, may the sun set this very day.' When he had spoken, the sun immediately vanished. Later, when his mother was picking flowers and found they had all closed up, she said to him, 'The sun has set today—that is why the flowers have not opened.' He immediately vowed again: 'If I am truly filial and kind, may the sun rise again.' The moment he spoke, the sun shone again.
"Sages such as these—not of the Brāhmaṇa class—had spiritual powers and transformations beyond measure. How can they be called inferior people? Therefore, all classes are equal. You may give your daughter as my son's wife, and I will gladly offer any wealth or precious gifts you desire."