觀有果無果門第二
Contemplating the Presence or Absence of Results, Chapter 2
復次,諸法不生。何以故?
Furthermore, all phenomena are unborn. Why is that?
先有則不生, 先無亦不生,
有無亦不生, 誰當有生者?
If it existed before, it would not arise; If it did not exist before, neither would it arise. Nor does it arise from both existing and not-existing— So who is it that could be born?
若果因中先有則不應生,先無亦不應生,先有無亦不應生。
If the effect already existed in the cause, it would not need to arise. If it did not exist, it also could not arise. If it both existed and did not exist, it equally could not arise.
何以故?若果因中先有而生,是則無窮。如果先未生而生者,今生已復應更生。何以故?因中常有故。從是有邊復應更生,是則無窮。
Why? If an effect existed within its cause beforehand and then came to be, the process would go on endlessly. If something that had not yet arisen were to arise, then once it has arisen, it should arise again. Why? Because the cause perpetually contains it. Thus, from that existing state it would have to arise repeatedly, leading to an infinite regress.
若謂生已更不生,未生而生者,是中無有生理;是故先有而生,是事不然。
If it is said that what is born no longer comes to be, and what has not yet been born now comes to be—there is no principle of arising in either case. Therefore, the idea that something that already exists comes into being is not correct.
復次,若因中先有果,而謂未生而生、生已不生者,是亦二俱有而一生一不生,無有是處。
Furthermore, if one claims that the effect already exists within the cause, and thus speaks of "not yet arisen yet arising" or "already arisen yet not arising," this would mean both exist simultaneously—one arising and one not—which is impossible.
復次,若未生定有者,生已則應無。何以故?生、未生共相違故;生未生相違故,是二作相亦相違。
Furthermore, if what has not yet arisen were to truly exist, then once it arose it would cease to exist. Why? Because arising and not-yet-arisen are fundamentally opposed to each other; since they are opposites, their functions and characteristics are also contradictory.
復次,有與無相違,無與有相違,若生已亦有、未生時亦有者,則生、未生不應有異。何以故?若有生,生已亦有、未生亦有,如是生、未生有何差別?生、未生無差別,是事不然,是故有不生。
Furthermore, existence and non-existence are opposites. If something that has already arisen could also be said to exist before it arose, then there would be no difference between having arisen and not yet having arisen. Why? Because if arising can apply equally to what has arisen and what has not, then what distinction remains between the two? Since no distinction can be made between arising and not arising, this view is invalid. Therefore, existence does not truly arise.
復次,有已先成,何用更生?如作已不應作,成已不應成,是故有法不應生。
Furthermore, if something already exists, why should it be born again? Just as what is already done should not be done again, and what is already achieved should not be achieved again, therefore, a thing that already exists should not be born.
復次若有生,因中未生時果應可見,而實不可見;如泥中瓶、蒲中席,應可見而實不可見,是故有不生。
Furthermore, if something were truly born from a cause, then before it was born, its effect should already be visible within that cause. But in reality, it is not. For example, a jar should be visible in clay, or a mat should be visible in reeds, yet they are not. Therefore, there is no true arising.
問曰:「果雖先有,以未變故不見。」
Question: "Although the fruit exists beforehand, it is not seen because it has not yet transformed."
答曰:「若瓶未生時瓶體未變故不見者,以何相知言泥中先有瓶?為以瓶相有瓶?為以牛相、馬相故有瓶耶?若泥中無瓶相者,亦無牛相、馬相,是豈不名無耶?是故汝說因中先有果而生者,是事不然。復次,變法即是果者,即應因中先有變。何以故?汝法因中先有果故。若瓶等先有,變亦先有,應當可見而實不可得,是故汝言未變故不見,是事不然。若謂未變不名為果,則果畢竟不可得。何以故?是變先無,後亦應無,故瓶等果畢竟不可得。若謂變已是果者,則因中先無,如是則不定:或因中先有果,或先無果。」
Answer: "If a clay pot is invisible before it is made because its form has not yet changed, then by what sign do you claim the pot already exists in the clay? Is it because the pot's form exists there? Or because the cow's form or horse's form is in the clay? If the pot's form is not in the clay, neither are the cow's or horse's forms — wouldn't that simply mean the clay contains none of these things? So your claim that the effect already exists in the cause before it appears is not valid.
Furthermore, if change itself is the effect, then change should already exist in the cause beforehand. Why? Because in your view, the effect pre-exists in the cause. If the pot and other things already exist, change should also already exist and be observable — yet it is not actually found. So your argument that it is invisible because it has not yet changed does not hold.
If you say that what has not yet changed should not be called an effect, then the effect can never be obtained at all. Why? Because if this change did not exist before, it should not exist afterward either — so the pot and other effects could never truly be obtained. If you say that something becomes an effect only after it has changed, then it did not exist beforehand in the cause — this makes your position inconsistent: sometimes you say the effect pre-exists in the cause, sometimes that it does not."
問曰:「先有變,但不可得見。凡物自有有而不可得者,如物或有近而不可知;或有遠而不可知;或根壞故不可知;或心不住故不可知;障故不可知;同故不可知;勝故不可知;微細故不可知。近而不可知者,如眼中藥。遠而不可知者,如鳥飛虛空高翔遠逝。根壞故不可知者,如盲不見色、聾不聞聲、鼻塞不聞香、口爽不知味、身頑不知觸、心狂不知實。心不住故不可知者,如心在色等則不知聲。障故不可知者,如地障大水、壁障外物。同故不可知者,如黑上墨點。勝故不可知者,如有鍾鼓音,不聞捎拂聲。細微故不可知者,如微塵等不現。如是諸法雖有,以八因緣故不可知。汝說因中變不可得、瓶等不可得者,是事不然。何以故?是事雖有,以八因緣故不可得。」
Question: “A transformation may exist yet remain unseen. All things can exist yet be inaccessible—some are near yet unknowable, some are distant and unknowable, some are unknowable because the senses are impaired, some because the mind is unsteady, some because of obstruction, some because of similarity, some because of superiority, some because of subtlety.
Near yet unknowable: like medicine applied to the eye. Distant yet unknowable: like a bird soaring high into the vast sky, vanishing far away. Unknowable due to impaired senses: like the blind who cannot see forms, the deaf who cannot hear sounds, the congested nose that cannot smell scents, the dulled tongue that cannot taste flavors, the numb body that cannot feel touch, or the disturbed mind that cannot perceive reality. Unknowable because the mind is unsteady: like when the mind is fixed on forms, it does not hear sounds. Unknowable due to obstruction: like the earth blocking a great body of water, or a wall blocking external objects. Unknowable because of similarity: like black ink spots on a black surface. Unknowable because of superiority: like when the sound of bells and drums prevails, the sound of a gentle tap goes unheard. Unknowable because of subtlety: like fine dust particles that are invisible.
Thus, although these phenomena exist, they remain unknowable due to these eight causes. Your claim that transformation cannot be found in the cause, and that the pot and so forth cannot be found, is not valid. Why? Because although these things exist, they are inaccessible due to these eight causes.”
答曰:「變法及瓶等果,不同八因緣不可得。何以故?若變法及瓶等,果極近不可得者,小遠應可得;極遠不可得者,小近應可得;若根壞不可得者,根淨應可得;若心不住不可得者,心住應可得;若障不可得者,變法及瓶法無障應可得;若同不可得者,異時應可得;若勝不可得者,勝止應可得;若細微不可得者,而瓶等果麁應可得。若瓶細故不可得者,生已亦應不可得。何以故?生已、未生細相一故,生已、未生俱定有故。」
Answer: "Transformation and the vessel and other effects cannot be obtained through these eight causes. Why? If transformation and the vessel are too close to be obtained, they should be obtainable at a slight distance; if too far to be obtained, they should be obtainable at a slight proximity; if unattainable due to impaired faculties, they should be attainable when faculties are sound; if unattainable due to a distracted mind, they should be attainable when the mind is focused; if unattainable due to obstruction, transformation and the vessel should be unobstructed and attainable; if unattainable due to sameness, they should be attainable at a different time; if unattainable due to superiority, they should be attainable when superiority ceases; if unattainable due to subtlety, then the coarse effects like the vessel should be attainable. If the vessel is too subtle to be obtained, then even after it arises, it should also be unobtainable. Why? Because the subtle nature of the arisen and not-yet-arisen is the same—both the arisen and not-yet-arisen states definitely exist."
問曰:「未生時細,生已轉麁,是故生已可得,未生不可得。」
Question: "Before it arises, it is subtle; after it arises, it becomes coarse. Therefore, once it has arisen, it can be perceived, but before arising, it cannot be grasped."
答曰:「若爾者,因中則無果。何以故?因中無麁故。又、因中先無麁,若因中先有麁者,則不應言細,故不可得;今果是麁,汝言細故不可得,是麁不名為果。今果畢竟不應可得而果實可得,是故不以細故不可得。如是有法因中先有果,以八因緣故不可得,先因中有果,是事不然。
Answer: "If that were so, then there would be no result within the cause. Why? Because within the cause, there is no coarse form. Moreover, if the coarse form were already present in the cause, then it could not be called fine, and thus it would not be obtainable. But the actual result is coarse; you say it is unobtainable because it is fine—then this coarse thing would not be the result. Since the actual result truly cannot be unobtainable, and yet it is indeed obtained, it is not the case that it is unobtainable due to being fine. Therefore, it is incorrect to say that the result exists in the cause beforehand but is simply unobtainable due to the eight conditions."
「復次,若因中先有果生者,是則因、因相壞,果、果相壞。何以故?如疊在縷,如果在器,但是住處,不名為因。何以故?縷、器非疊,果因故。若因壞,果亦壞,是故縷等非疊等因。因無故,果亦無。何以故?因因故有果成,因不成,果云何成?
Furthermore, if the effect already existed within the cause beforehand, then the nature of the cause and the nature of the effect would both be undermined. Why? For example, when a cloth is in threads, or a fruit is in a container—these are just locations, not causes. Why? Because the threads and the container are not the cloth or the fruit themselves; they are not their causes. If the cause is invalid, the effect is also invalid. Therefore, threads and the like are not the causes of cloth and the like. When there is no cause, there is no effect. Why? It is due to the cause that the effect comes into being; if the cause does not establish the effect, how can the effect be established?
「復次,若不作不名果,縷等因不能作疊等果。何以故?如縷等不以疊等住故能作疊等果,如是則無因無果。若因果俱無,則不應求因中若先有果、若先無果。
Furthermore, if something is not brought into being, it cannot be called an effect. Thread and other causes cannot produce cloth and other effects. Why? Because thread does not depend on cloth for its existence in order to produce cloth as an effect. In the same way, there would be no cause and no effect. If both cause and effect are absent, then one should not seek to determine whether the effect already existed in the cause or did not exist in the cause beforehand.
「復次,若因中有果而不可得,應有相現,如聞香知有華、聞聲知有鳥、聞笑知有人、見烟知有火、見鵠知有池。如是因中若先有果,應有相現;今果體亦不可得,相亦不可得,如是當知因中先無果。
Furthermore, if the effect were already present in the cause but could not be perceived, there should be some sign of it—just as the scent of fragrance tells you there are flowers, the sound of a voice tells you there are birds, the sound of laughter tells you there are people, seeing smoke tells you there is fire, and seeing cranes tells you there is a pond. In the same way, if the effect already existed in the cause, there should be a sign of it. Yet here, neither the effect itself can be found, nor any sign of it can be found. From this, you should know: the effect does not pre-exist in the cause.
「復次,若因中先有果生,則不應言因縷有疊、因蒲有席。若因不作,他亦不作。如疊非縷所作,可從蒲作耶?若縷不作,蒲亦不作,可得言無所從作耶?若無所從作,則不名為果。若果無,因亦無,如先說。是故從因中先有果生,是則不然。
Furthermore, if the effect already existed within the cause, then we could not say that cloth comes from threads or that a mat comes from reeds. If the cause does not produce it, could something else? For instance, if cloth is not made from threads, could it be made from reeds? If neither threads nor reeds produce it, could we say it comes from nothing at all? If it comes from nothing, then it cannot be called an effect. If there is no effect, there is no cause either, as explained earlier. Therefore, the idea that the effect pre-exists in the cause is not valid.
「復次,若果無所從作,則為是常,如涅槃性。若果是常,諸有為法則皆是常。何以故?一切有為法皆是果故。若一切法皆常,則無無常;若無無常,亦無有常。何以故?因常有無常、因無常有常,是故常無常二俱無者,是事不然。是故不得言因中先有果生。
Furthermore, if an effect did not arise from any cause, it would be permanent, like the nature of Nirvana. If the effect were permanent, then all conditioned phenomena would also be permanent. Why? Because all conditioned things are effects. If all things were permanent, there would be no impermanence. If there were no impermanence, there would also be no permanence. Why? Because permanence is defined in relation to impermanence, and impermanence in relation to permanence. Thus, if both permanence and impermanence were absent, that would be impossible. Therefore, one cannot claim that an effect exists within its cause beforehand.
「復次,若因中先有果生,則果更與異果作因,如疊與著為因,如席與障為因。如車與載為因,而實不與異果作因,是故不得言因中先有果生。若謂如地先有香,不以水灑,香則不發;果亦如是,若未有緣會,則不能作因。是事不然,何以故?如汝所說,可了時名果,瓶等物非果。何以故?可了是作,瓶等先有非作,是則以作為果。是故因中先有果生,是事不然。
Furthermore, if the effect already existed within the cause, then that effect would itself become the cause of yet another effect—just as cloth serves as the cause of clothing, or a mat as the cause of protection, or a cart as the cause of carrying. But in reality, these do not serve as causes for further effects. Therefore, it cannot be said that the effect pre-exists within the cause.
If one argues: "Just as the earth holds fragrance, which only emerges when water is sprinkled upon it, similarly an effect cannot act as a cause until it encounters the right conditions"—this reasoning is flawed. Why? Because in your view, only that which is actualized can be called an effect, while objects like pots are not effects. The reason is that actualization is an active process, whereas pots and similar things already exist and are not the result of that process. Thus, you would be defining the effect solely in terms of its actualization.
Therefore, the claim that the effect exists beforehand within the cause is incorrect.
「復次,了因但能顯發,不能生物,如為照闇中瓶故然燈,亦能照餘臥具等物;為作瓶故和合眾緣,不能生餘臥具等物,是故當知非先因中有果生。
Furthermore, the illuminating cause only reveals what is already there; it does not create things. For example, when we light a lamp to see a vase in the dark, the same light also reveals other objects like bedding. However, when we combine various conditions to make a vase, those conditions cannot produce bedding or other objects. From this, we should understand that the effect does not exist within the cause beforehand, waiting to be born.
「復次,若因中先有果生,則不應有今作、當作差別。而汝受今作、當作,是故非先因中有果生。
Furthermore, if the effect already existed within the cause, there would be no difference between what is being made now and what will be made later. But you acknowledge this distinction between present and future making—therefore, the effect does not pre-exist in the cause.
「若謂因中先無果而果生者,是亦不然。何以故?若無而生者,應有第二頭、第三手生。何以故?無而生故。」
"If it is said that an effect arises even though it did not exist in its cause, this is also incorrect. Why? If something could come into being from nothing, then a second head or a third arm should also arise. Why? Because they too would be arising from nothing."
問曰:「瓶等物有因緣,第二頭、第三手無因緣,云何得生?是故汝說不然。」
Question: "Objects like a vase have causes and conditions, so why do a second head or a third arm, which lack such causes, come into being? Therefore, your assertion does not hold."
答曰:「第二頭、第三手及瓶等果,因中俱無。如泥團中無瓶,石中亦無瓶,何故名泥團為瓶因,不名石為瓶因?何故名乳為酪因、縷為疊因,不名蒲為因?
Answer: "The second head, the third hand, and the jar—these effects do not exist in their causes. For example, a jar is not present in a lump of clay, nor is it present in a stone. So why is the clay called the cause of the jar, but not the stone? And why is milk called the cause of cheese, or threads the cause of cloth, but not reeds?"
「復次,若因中先無果而果生者,則一一物應生一切物,如指端應生車、馬、飲食等;如是縷不應但出疊,亦應出車、馬、飲食等物。何以故?若無而能生者,何故縷但能生疊,而不生車、馬、飲食等物?以俱無故。若因中先無果而果生者,則諸因不應各各有力能生果。如須油者要從麻取,不笮於沙;若俱無者,何故麻中求,而不笮沙?若謂曾見麻出油、不見從沙出,是故麻中求而不笮沙。是事不然。何以故?若生相成者,應言餘時見麻出油、不見沙出,是故於麻中求,不取沙;而一切法生相不成,故不得言餘時見麻出油,故麻中求,不取於沙。
Furthermore, if an effect could arise from a cause that did not already contain it, then any one thing could give rise to all things—for instance, the tip of a finger could produce a cart, a horse, food, and so on. In the same way, threads should not only produce cloth but also carts, horses, food, and other things. Why? If something can arise from nothing, then why do threads only produce cloth and not carts, horses, or food? Because they are equally lacking in all of them.
If an effect could arise from a cause that did not already contain it, then no cause would have its own specific power to produce its own result. For example, someone needing oil would get it from sesame seeds, not from pressing sand. But if both were equally lacking in oil, why seek it from sesame rather than press sand? One might say, "We have seen oil come from sesame and not from sand, so we seek it from sesame and not from sand." But this reasoning does not hold. Why? If the nature of arising were established, one could say, "At other times we have seen oil come from sesame and not from sand, so we seek it from sesame and not from sand." However, since the nature of arising is not established for any phenomenon, one cannot claim, "At other times we have seen oil come from sesame, so we seek it from sesame and not from sand."
「復次,我今不但破一事,皆總破一切因果。若因中先有果生、先無果生、先有果無果生,是三生皆不成;是故汝言餘時見麻出油,則墮同疑因。
「復次,若先因中無果而果生者,諸因相則不成。何以故?諸因若無,法何能作?何能成?若無作、無成,云何名為因?如是作者不得有所作,使作者亦不得有所作。
"Moreover, if the effect arises without being present in its cause, then the defining characteristics of a cause would not hold. Why? If there is no cause, how could anything be produced or accomplished? Without production or accomplishment, how could it be called a cause? In this way, the agent cannot have anything it acts upon, and the instrument of action cannot have anything it accomplishes either."
「若謂因中先有果,則不應有作、作者、作法別異。何以故?若先有果,何須復作?是故汝說作、作者、作法諸因皆不可得。因中先無果者,是亦不然。何以故?若人受作、作者分別有因果,應作是難;我說作、作者及因果皆空,若汝破作、作者及因果,則成我法,不名為難。是故因中先無果而果生,是事不然。
If it is said that the effect already exists within the cause, then there should be no distinction between the action, the agent, and the act itself. Why? If the effect already exists, what need is there to act again? Therefore, you claim that the causes—action, agent, and act—are all unobtainable.
But to say the effect does not exist in the cause and then arises is also not correct. Why? If a person accepts that the agent and action are distinctly subject to cause and effect, they might raise this objection; however, I say that agent, action, and cause-and-effect are all empty. If you refute agent, action, and cause-and-effect, you actually affirm my teaching—it is not a valid objection. Therefore, the idea that an effect arises from a cause where it did not previously exist is not valid either.
「復次,若人受因中先有果,應作是難;我不說因中先有果,故不受此難,亦不受因中先無果。
「若謂因中先亦有果亦無果而果生,是亦不然。何以故?有、無性相違故;性相違者,云何一處?如明闇、苦樂、去住、縛解不得同處,是故因中先有果先無果二俱不生。
「復次、因中先有果先無果,上有無中已破。是故先因中有果亦不生,無果亦不生,有無亦不生,理極於此。一切處推求不可得,是故果畢竟不生。果畢竟不生故,則一切有為法皆空。何以故?一切有為法,皆是因是果。
Furthermore, whether the effect already exists within the cause or does not exist within it—this has already been refuted in the discussion of existence and non-existence above. Therefore, the effect is not produced from a cause in which it already exists, nor from a cause in which it does not exist, nor from a cause in which it both exists and does not exist. The reasoning reaches its limit here. Since the effect cannot be found anywhere upon thorough investigation, it ultimately does not arise. Because the effect ultimately does not arise, all conditioned phenomena are empty. Why? Because all conditioned phenomena are effects arising from causes.
「有為空故,無為亦空。有為、無為尚空,何況我耶?」